[color=orange][/color So I’m a bit confused as to which kite, the rise or razor, is better for my large and smallest kite. I’m thinking of purchasing and 8m and 12m. I’ve read great reviews on both and ocean rodeo says the rise is made for those pursuing a 2 kite quiver but all the forum info I read tells me that the razor woouod be best for my larger kite since it has such great low end, but I also read that it is harder to stay upwind with the razor. Can anyone clarify??
The Razor for your big kite to get the bottom end. Then you can go either Rise or Razor for the small kite There are loads of threads explaining the difference. Just check your wind stats to make sure you need the top end of an 8m . 12m to 8m works but 12m to 9m is so much nicer with less chance of ” to much or to little”.
You can’t go up wind if you can’t go!!
The Razor will get you going earlier.
The Razor is good up wind but the Rise is brilliant.
If you have shops near you get a demo
The Razor is really good for upwind, lots of grunty low end that you need to hold ground in low winds. The Rise is more “Course Race material” in that this kite can be parked low and pulls you upwind fast and easy.
There is no “harder to stay upwind” issue with either the Rise and the Razor!
If you have trouble selecting one of these kites, you might want to think about the kind of rider you are.
Effortless freeride, easy & big jumping, gusty conditions >> Rise
Smoothest looping, surf, unhooked, aggressive steering >> Razor
Unhooked, wake- & park style riding, freestyle >> Cypher
Brent, you’re right from a technical point of view, but compared to other kites in it’s league - Park, C4, Rpm to name some - the Razor goes upwind remarkably well.
So I would really recommend to look into the other check-boxes when it comes to deciding which kites suits you best as “Upwind” is checked for both Rise and Razor!
Thanks for all the great input. As far as the board goes I am 188 lbs and have a naish thorn 135 twin tip as well as a mako 150 x 40.
I’m still a beginner so I guess I don’t really know my style yet. I’m able to stay upwind but do not know how to kite loop or even jump well yet so my style is really undetermined. I ride lake Michigan so I do have waves to ride but they are not great .
I use a 10M RAZOR on my 130 & 150(wide) MAKO’s ... I require ~ 12-15 knots to keep upwind depending on other variables (current etc.) I have used the RISE kites since their inception & have kept my 7M for those nasty / squally sessions ... I have an 8m RAZOR that replaced my 9 RISE for those medium strength sessions ... I would think a directional board & the 15m FLITE would be the best solution for winds < 12 knots.
One thing I would add to the Razor vs Rise upwind debate, is that while the Rise has better upwind potential, it does require a defter touch to achieve this. The chance of over-sheeting and then having to crank a couple of turns to get on the plane again can lose you some ground.
The Razor has a more continuous pull and is more resistant to oversheeting so is a bit simpler to keep on the plane with. Not saying that the Rise is at all difficult to fly, just something else to consider
An 8m / 12m would be a good combo. On a twin tip I’d guess you would be going in 15knots, and still comfortable in 30knots. Personally I don’t like to explore much over 30knots in the winter, but would go in a bit more if somewhere warm like Egypt.
If you craved sub-15knots performance, I’d add a huge board to the quiver, but 8m / 12m is the combo I use (I’ve also got a 10m in there too, but often I’ll loan that out on the beach while I use the 8m or the 12m) and I never have to miss a great day on the water for want of having the right kite.
Wow so much information on the forum and it sounds like both the rise and razor are great kites! It makes the decision tough. Is it safe to say that the rise is a better kite for big airs? / jumps larger?
I suggest you to take the rise. beciurse about your level you write I think for you the rise will be the better choise. the rise is a liottlebit easyer to handle and you will hhave for the beginn more fun.
In terms of jumps - the Rise will give you more airtime, but it will be in a longer, flatter trajectory, as in, you’ll go up, float forever, then come down. The Razor will yank you off the water, take you up to cloud level, then bring you down quicker. Both are addictive in their own way.
Overall though, I’d say you want the Rise. I think the Rise will suit you better at this stage of your kiting.
....a bunch of us learned to kitesurf with kites that yanked us offf the water hard and set us back down hard. The 2012 RAZOR 10M that I have is such a sweet handling thing!!!! It is so well optimized to be a great all around kite.
The refinement the RAZOR exhibits over our C-kites of old leave me with no worries about a newbie flying this new RAZOR.
.....and it goes upwind better than my buddies C4…......he told me so…(sponsored “O” rider)
I’m thinking I’m going to get a 12m razor for that extra low end and an 8m rise, it seems like when the wind is high here it usually gets gusty. Does anyone else do the razor, rise transition? I’m wondering if it’s hard to jump from one to the other and if I’m better off sticking with the razor for both kites.