Thanks again Evan. Just about ready to get the 10 and 12 Razors then I read that the 2011 kites now have 2 pulleys? Gotta have some info comparing the ‘10 and ‘11 kites and I’ll pull the trigger….

Timmer, check the other thread - I answered your question regarding pulleys there.

Cheers,

Evan

Thanks again. Looking like it’s Razors for me!!

I CAN’T F’N BELIEVE IT MAN!
I went from a 14m Rise to a 10m Razor today and got totally worked by this kite!
If you like massive traction and super fast turning…the Razor delivers!
(Is it cheating if you are riding the King?)

I hope so!!!

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haw!
Sweet job OR!

I just checked the wind history at the nearest sensor to where I was riding and it was reading 15-18mph.
This is crazy man!

The 10M Razor will work you in 15-18mph and will replace a 14m Rise kite…!
Now I’m totally confused. How much do you weigh Craig?  This happened on the Mako King?

Yes it works in that wind range, but its not enough for the 12-14mph that I was flying the 14m in before the wind came up.
Now I am really curious what the 12m will do!
I’m a big guy-205lbs, so flying a 10m and jumping and staying upwind in winds less than 20mph is short circuting my conception of life itself.
Why do you keep doing this to me Ross Harrington!!!?

Agreed the low end has thrown a wobbly in my appreciation of basic kiting physics. Gees almost sounded like I knew what I was on about there.

I am so very tempted but

1. I still cant believe the low end and what will be the true low end for a 70-75kg person with a twin tip

2. How it performs jump wise at that low end

3. top end perfromance compared to the Rise.

I’ve been with OR kites for over 3 years now and my low end experience of them is that they are basically like a stubborn teenager in bed on a Sunday morning until a certain point and wind speed is reached. Then they come alive like someone has flicked the switch. The Razor was completely different only question being was there enough wind to haul the lump out of the water.

And yes they do it to me every year too.

I have also been on Rise’s for three years now, and love the range… Weighing 75 kg with a twin tip, I can kite
in the 13-14 kt range up to around 22 kts with my 11m Rise.  If the low end, wave riding characteristics of the Razor
are as good as the reviews, I’m trying to decide between the 8m or 6m Razor!  Looking forward to east coast
demos.

Yeah About 14kn is about my bottom end on the 11m Rise too. I could probably hold it a little higher.

My temptatious little session on the 10m Razor left me thinking that it may be a repacement for the 11m Rise with the benfits of sharper turning and better unhooked but I’ll admit I don’t know 100% as I’ve no idea how it jumps and what the top end is.

I did love the way it responded to rider input though. Nice and sharp when you wanted it to be and behaved otherwise.
Grrr I need to get my hands back on it but that man Seabreeze has loaned it out to shops and schools rather than his No.1 test pilot

Quick word on the Rise. Idont think I’ve evr quite come across anything as grunty as a 16m 2007 Rise on 30m lines. Monster truck pull or what!

Just got this feedback from a demo session.
OK Razor more bottom end and slightly higher bar pressure.  Top end most will not notice as you will need to be on a smaller kite at about the same wind speed. The rise handles the top end gusts better and does not suffer poor steering when sheeted out.
Jumping Rise rips you from the water. The razor lifts you from the water.
Rise goes higher with a second lift. Both give good float and a soft landing.
If you want to go big go Rise. For waves and bottom end go razor. For anything else buy the colour you like.
If you are a dangle monkey learn what the hook is for. We did all that stuff in the late 1990s see old videos.

sunrise - 06 October 2010 09:10 AM

OK Razor more bottom end

Just to throw something else into the pot:

More bottom end compared to what?

What size razor was the rider on- a 10m?

How many pies was the rider carrying?

I’m thinking that at 64.5 kilos I might stretch to an 8m as my biggest coupled with a 140 Mako?

So far I’ve read:
10M Razor > 11M, 12M Rise
10M Razor > 12M Wainman
10M Razor = 13M Rise
10M Razor = 14M Rise
8M Razor = 10M Rise
Lots of different experiences.
All sounds like fun.

Razor does not equal Rise, they are totally different kites. If we are talking low end in specific, then the Razor is equivalent to a Rise one to two square meters larger, and to really confuse all of you, the larger the kite gets the greater the difference becomes.

Just buy one size smaller Razor than you normally would in the Rise (and pretty much any other kite out there) and you are done. And yes, there’s no way you need a kite bigger than the 12m Razor in this style of kite.

Cheers,

Evan

What would be the top end of a 10m Razor in comparison with a 12m Rise?
If some one could be more specific in the top end of the Razor would be great.