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Rise 2008 - do you use a stoper?
Posted: 13 May 2008 05:44 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Hi,
I am wondering - do all of you use the stopper on your bar? The bar pressure is so small that I do not use it at all. The stoper is allways at the pulley. So I just have to drop the bar and the kite depowers 100%. I think that is the safest way of using the kite. You can easily drive the kite with one hand, you have unlimited sheating ability, the only thing you have to watch for is after spinning - you do not let go of the bar, but spin it in your hands.
Does anyone feel the same?
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Jaros
Btw: The Rise08 8m2 is perfect. I can use it on the mako 150/34 from 14 knots up easily. Great range.

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Posted: 13 May 2008 06:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I personally cant ride without the stopper. I like around 6-10” of chicken loop throw. The one time I rode without the stopper, I found that I would end up sheeting out too much in the gusts instead of edging the board. Then when the gusts would stop, the kite would have no power and I would sink into the water. But this was also an extremely gusty spot with 10+ mph gusts that last for 5-10 seconds and then go away.

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Posted: 13 May 2008 07:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I fly diablos, not rises, and the diablo bar comes without a stopper on it.  I have changed out the line on my bars and put in the line with the stopper ball on it.  I have been flying them this way for a couple of years and wouldn’t go back to not having one.  I also ride with very little throw and the great thing about riding with a stopper ball is that you get a very consistent power when it is set since the bar won’t move.  If you try to just hold the bar at one position (without a stopper) you can’t hold the bar in one position.  Even if it moves just an inch, the difference in power is pretty big.  An inch doesn’t sound like much but consider what an inch would be like if one of your steering lines was out an inch.

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Posted: 13 May 2008 07:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I use the stopper, but I would have to say that it would depend on your board and flying skills. if you can effectively hold power with edging and flying the kite to the edge, then the stopper makes life alot easier. If you
always use the depower of the kite to bleed off excess pull, then having a longer throw or not using the stopper is the way to go.

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Posted: 15 May 2008 11:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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if u dont use the stopper you risk inverting the kite, upon crashing it.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 12:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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[quote author=“Scrotus”]if u dont use the stopper you risk inverting the kite, upon crashing it.

I think that statement only applies for certain types of kites and in stronger wind conditions dude!

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Posted: 16 May 2008 12:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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My kites have never inverted on me and I fly kites without stopper since 2006, first GK Sonic, and now Rise.
Jaros

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Posted: 16 May 2008 11:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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[quote author=“wadem”]Even if it moves just an inch, the difference in power is pretty big.  An inch doesn’t sound like much but consider what an inch would be like if one of your steering lines was out an inch.

The girls around these parts say that the extra inch makes all the difference LOL

I used to ride with the stopper all the way up by the pulley. I got used to untwisting my lines after a rotation by passing the bar hand over hand. Occasionally I still do and when you let the bar go you get virtually 100% de-power. Tend to prefer around 12” throw now as if you let go of the bar inadvertently it won’t go all the way up and invariably end up with a dunking of the kite in the drink and having to re-launch.

Haven’t really had a spanking with this amount of de-power anytime recently either.

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Posted: 16 May 2008 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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If you behave bad enough (and don’t use the stopper) you can invert the Rise rolleyes
So I always use the stopper
- to easaly untwist my lines
- To prevent the kite from hindenburging in very light wind after a failed backroll….
- and sometimes just to be very lazy and cruise :D

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Posted: 16 May 2008 02:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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i only made the mistake of not using the stopper once.

you try doing a deadman on a rise with no stopper and get back to me :D

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Posted: 19 May 2008 08:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Can’t say that i have come close to inverting a rise, but possibly using a 7m one has taught me a few things on how to avoid inversion.

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Posted: 29 May 2008 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I have a hard time keeping the stopper in one place. It seems to slip very easy. Is there a diff between the 07 bar and the 08 ? From the pics they look the same. I got my 08 Rises so early this season, I think I ended uop with the 07 bar.

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Posted: 29 May 2008 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Jorrit! My man…. INVERTING YOUR RISE???? on flat water??? How??what???when??? are you mad???  LOL  8)

PS no stopper no glory!!!! I would also like a MICRO hook like royal on the 09 bar. Bring back the deadmans!!!! (or am i to much oldschool now?)

But for real! make a micro hook on the bar!

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Posted: 29 May 2008 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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[quote author=“wouter”]Jorrit! My man…. INVERTING YOUR RISE???? on flat water??? How??what???when??? are you mad???  LOL  8)

I sort of have a gift for messing things up :oops:
If you try it it’s impossible, but just at the wrong moment….
Even more : it was very flat water : Kornwerderzand rolleyes
Another example: my leg still hurts after a messed up kiteloop backroll into the ijsselmeer 3 weeks ago :D (and I just wanted to try a backroll)
Maybe with the Mako I will be more cautious LOL

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Posted: 30 May 2008 12:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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[quote author=“dcole5”]I have a hard time keeping the stopper in one place. It seems to slip very easy. Is there a diff between the 07 bar and the 08 ? From the pics they look the same. I got my 08 Rises so early this season, I think I ended uop with the 07 bar.

I know what you mean it can tend to sneak up the line especially (I find) when you change the trim on the kite through out a session.

Best cure for this - GO MAD.

jump and spin like nutter and really utilise that stopper to its full potential. Use it and you wont forget it.

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Posted: 08 July 2008 06:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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How do you guys like the stopper? I didn’t get used yet to the fact that I can’t just push away the bar and the stopper because it will just lock up (seems kinda dangerous to me).
Is there a reason why the stopper system is not similar to other systems which allow to push away the stopper with the bar? This worked pretty well with my 2007 Best Bar.

Another problem is that the stopper tends to go up to the pulley automatically, so I can’t just grab it because it is too far away.

Has anyone modified the stopper system so that the stopper does not move without doing anything and that the stopper can be pushed up with the bar?

Thomas

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