Peter!! - You are awesome man. Let me address these one at a time. Thanks for such a detailed posting! This is exactly the type of feedback we appreciate.
[quote author=“Peter”]1. Upgrade the swivel - judging by the pictures in the instructions, the new beefed up swivel might still be undersized on the rings. They fail because the lines with lark’s head knots wrap around them and keep them wet with oxygen-deprived water that kills the stainless steel. The rings could have a larger thickness and diameter that would also facilitate easier rotation in the knots and inspection for rust.
Quite honestly you are the first person I’ve heard of having the actual ring fail on them. You are correct though, they could be bigger and we’ll look into that. I’d like them to be bigger simply to get more leverage to make the swivel actually swivel when the lines are twisted.
[quote author=“Peter”]2. Remove the sheath that covers up the swivel and pulley. It is not as efficient in protecting the stainless steel components from the sand as it is in keeping them wet. I think it does more harm than good; the sand gets in there, and it is hard to flush it out. A lesson from sailing would dictate arrangement with easy visual inspection of the gear, ease of cleaning, and no potential for water traps.
This is an interesting point indeed. I believe the only reason for that cover is aesthetic, so it could be removed. I’ll point this out to Rossco.
[quote author=“Peter”]3. Although I really like the visual design of the bar (red/black/white stripe and logo), the neoprene comes off with use and time. Then instead of a simple job of gluing it back, it becomes a major project to glue the white stipe in there so it doesn’t bulge up against the red piece, etc. In short, the hand’s grip and twisting motion works those individual pieces off the bar and it’s just not easy to repair.
Again, an interesting point. I have to admit a certain degree of ignorance on this as I tend to replace my bars so often (I sell my demo gear to most shops I visit with and am into new gear pretty quickly). This is excellent to hear though and will be taken into consideration for sure.
[quote author=“Peter”]4. The cleat on the chicken loop is a finger crusher. On two occasions that the chicken loop unhooked from the harness I ended up with one finger bruised and one fractured from the cleat flying up to the bar and hitting the fingers wrapped around the bar. I don’t have a suggestion for reducing the impact force but I can testify that it is not a fun experience, each episode took me out for a week. I realize that people may laugh about this point but the pain is still there after 2 and 4 months now, respectively.
Now, this one is really unique. I’ve yet to have that happen to me. I assume you’re riding without the donkey dick in place? I am pretty sure that the new moulded chicken loop will address this as it will snap in place under the bar and not flip up sideways and hit your fingers. You’ll have to get back to me on this. The new CL’s will come out in August and will be made available as an upgrade to existing bars.
[quote author=“Peter”]5. I’ve just noticed on the 08 bar that the ohshit handle on the outside lines is not there any more. I apologize if there is a thread about it somewhere but I’d say that I heavily depend on that for self landing and for self rescues in the water. If there is an option to add that please let me know.
Nope, 2008 bars all ship with oh sh!t handles on one of the 2 front lines. If your bar is missing the handle let me know and we can get you one.
[quote author=“Peter”]6. I’ve been told that the loops at the kite end of the lines were upgraded. Excellent point, mine are worn out by the kite’s pig tails as those are the ones in contact with more abrasive material as well as being constantly manipulated at every session when putting on/removing lines.
Yes, for 2008 we went to HD 650lb test lines that take this abuse much better than last year’s lines. Still, lines and moving parts wear out over time so visual inspection is warranted and replacement of damaged parts is a good idea. We advocate replacing the trim line every 6 months, every 3 if on a very fine sandy beach or using it more than 4 days a week. Likewise for the chicken loop and the pulley lines on the kite. Similarly, the flying lines should be replaced atleast every 18 months, preferably every 12.
[quote author=“Peter”]Overall, again let me say that i am happy with the product in comparison with the industry and i hope that my comments will add to the improvement process to make it the best kiting bar out there. Thanks for all the fun on the water.
Love the feed back Peter. Thank-you!! 8)